Theocast
Gospel VS Law Based Living (w/ Chad Bird & Ken Jones)
October 15, 2025
Summary
What truly motivates the Christian life: the gospel or the law? Too often, we confuse gospel-driven living with law-based performance. This panel discussion, recorded live at our 2025 Theocast Conference, explores how the distinction between law and gospel shapes our motivations, obedience, and joy in Christ. Featuring a post-lecture conversation with Chad Bird, Ken Jones, Justin Perdue, and Jon Moffitt, this episode unpacks what it means to live by grace. If you're tired of legalism and looking for gospel clarity, this one's for you.
Topics
- What truly motivates the Christian life: gospel or law
- Confusing gospel-driven living with law-based performance
- Grace-shaped obedience and joy with Chad Bird and Ken Jones
Links
- Gospel vs Law Focused Living
- Theocast Conference 2025 Lectures
- More Than Forgiven — Justin Perdue
- Theocast Community
- Rest — free ebook on faith vs. faithfulness
- Partner with Theocast
Transcript
Edited machine transcript. May contain errors. Select a timestamp to watch that moment.
Is there a difference between gospel-focused living and law-driven living?
In other words, what motivates us to want to live for God, to obey Him, to see holiness as something to treasure versus something to be afraid of.
Well, today's episode is from a lecture that we had from our Theocast Conference in 2025 on the law gospel distinction.
And I did a lecture on the difference between gospel versus law-based living and how we are motivated from one or the other.
And after every one of our lectures, we had a panel discussion.
And so that's what you're going to hear today: is the panel discussion with Chad Bird, Ken Jones, Justin Perdue, and myself.
And if you want to hear the lecture, you can go to YouTube or our website and watch the lecture there.
But this is going to be the panel discussion where we then discuss what it is that I talked about.
But there's a lot of great information as it relates to the law versus the gospel and how it relates to our motivation for living.
So hopefully you enjoy this.
We're going to do a couple of weeks where we're going to put out these panels there's really great information on here and if you'd like to learn more about the conference and the audio that's available and the video
that's available just go to our website or you can go to youtube and you can see underneath our folder there, you'll see that we have all of our lectures in there.
We have lectures from Chad Berg, Ken Jones, Just Perdue, and myself.
So, if you're new to Theocast, we're so thankful that you're here.
You can go to theocast.org to learn more about myself.
I'm John Moffat.
I'm pastor of Grace Reform Church in Spring Hill, Tennessee.
My co-host is Justin Perdue.
He is the pastor of Covenant Baptist Church in Asheville, North Carolina.
We're traveling this next week.
